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hi, everybody. i'm ashleigh banfield. it's nice to have you with us today. happening right now, the murder trial for one of the worst mass killings in united states history. and if you want to talk about one very strange setup, let me set the scene for you as it's unfolding right this moment. army psychiatrist major nidal hasan was just brought by helicopter from an off-site jail and he's being brought back to ft. hood. that is the same military post where he admitted to slaughtering 13 people and
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wounding 32 others four years ago. the court building itself where he is set to stand trial is barricaded with large sand containers. and&we're talking about huge metal containers. this is what people are seeing when they arrive at court today. but you're not going to see a lot of photos, because the military is now restricting any and all photography of hasan while he is on this army post. military law has prevented him from entering a guilty plea, because prosecutors are seeking the death penalty against him. the last time they executed a service member was 1961, so if you want to call this rare, you would be spot-on. ed lavendera is live from ft. hood right now. ed, i'm just so astounded to hear, as this trial gets set to get underway, the extraordinary
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security measures. it's not as though we haven't had mass shooters before. why the significance of this? >> reporter: well, i think it's clear that officials here at ft. hood are very concerned about just how this proceeding continues and they want to make sure that major hasan is convicted, sent away, given the death penalty, and they want to make sure that no mistakes are made along the way that might jeopardize that in any way. so that is what they're saying, that everything that they're doing around these proceedings is to ensure that these proceedings are done in a cautious way and in a way that will ensure that the fairness of what is going on here. but, ashleigh, we have already started off with quite a sight here this morning. just a little while ago, major hasan made a brief -- remember, he's representing himself. he has gotten rid of his own defense attorney and is representing himself in this case. the prosecutor stood up this morning and gave about an
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hour-long opening statement, walked through the methodic nature that major hasan had carried out in his attack on the soldiers here at ft. hood. and in great detail, laid out what had happened. and major hasan himself stood up and made his opening statement. i'll give you a sense of what it was. it was very short, but prosecutors are sitting here, trying to point to major hasan that he is the shooter, and major hasan opened up by saying, the evidence are clearly show that i am the shooter. and then he went on to talk about how the mujahideen is trying to create the perfect religion and that he apologizes for the mistakes i made in this. not apologizing for the attacks, but apologizing for not helping the mujahideen create a perfect religion. the evidence will show that he wassing on the wrong side as a u.s. soldier and he switched sides. those were the statements he made, very shocking to hear at this point, given what we have seen him go through here in the last four years. so this jury here at ft. hood has already heard the first
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comments from major hasan. ashleigh? >> maybe not surprising, but definitely, ed, not how you normally see a murder defendant open up a case. ed lavendera, keep your eye on this for us and give us the updates as they do come into you. thank you. i also want to move to the whole notion of what's going on in that courtroom. joining us now with his take on this court-martial is criminal defense attorney, steve razor. he's also a former judge advocate general in the u.s. army, so he knows a thing or two about court-martialing process. steve, i'm sure that you are not astounded by this opening statement, but it is bizarre, nonetheless. is this something whereby major hasan can't plead guilty by law, but he is darned well going to do it by fact in this case, isn't he? >> yes. and apparently, that's the preferred method for him, because a plea of guilty obviously would be quick and the case would be done. this allows him to, in essence, as you indicated, to plead guilty through a trial, which is very rare, but is exactly what
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he wants. he wants to be the martyr and he wants to send that message crass the world. he has a platform and he's going to use it. >> okay. so i can only imagine, a really good criminal defense attorney in a death penalty case will more than likely keep his client off the stand. but he is representing himself, so if, in fact, this man decides to take the stand, steve, what is the protocol for questioning yourself and then answering your questions? >> well, it doesn't quite work that -- and he will be given the opportunity to really give his side of the story. he will, in essence, go into a narrative as to what happened. now, the judge will have some control over what he says, but she will give him a lot of latitude in what he does testify to, because, again, what the court is most interested in is avoiding a successful appeal. so they will let him speak, he
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will speak his mind, but he will be bound to the evidence that was presented and the judge has already indicated that she will instruct the panel or the jury in this case that they are not to consider the defense that he intended to put forward, which was, in essence, defense of others. those others being, in this case, the taliban. that is not in defense, that is legally sufficient for the jury to consider. >> the taliban certainly wasn't knocking on the door at a u.s., you know, army post, that was heavily guarded, et cetera. so that makes complete sense. steve, i hope you'll be able to stick with us. we hope to cover this case. cameras or no cameras inside the courtroom, it is amazing, groundbreaking stuff and it is a fascinating case and we'll need your expertise as we sort of move through this sort of thick wicket of military law. steve, thank you. >> thank you, ashleigh. >> always good to have steve razor with us. i want to switch gears to southern california. a dire situation playing out there. there are two kids who are missing right now. and here's the really hard part.
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the police who are looking into it think that they were snatched by a man who killed their mom and also killed another child in the home with their mom. that mother and child were found dead inside the suspect's own home as it was burning to the ground over the weekend. the police think that the suspect, james lee dimaggio, has the two children in a blue nissan versa with a california license plate reading 6wcu986. take a good look at that license plate. there's an amber alert that's been issued. if you see that blue nissan and that california license plate, without question, call 911. i want to bring in candace wynn hoover, who is working with our affiliate, xetv. she is live with us in san diego. what el do they have on this, candace? it seems like a license plate and a car is pretty thin material when you've got two kids who could be headed even out of the country? >> reporter: that's right. at this point, we just have
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those pictures of those kids. the picture of the suspect as well as the license plate. we also got an alert within the last hour, we're hearing that james lee dimaggio may be heading to texas or canada. that alert did not specify why. but obviously the search has crossed state lines at this point. >> so, obviously, border security is pretty critical, but what are they doing about this notion that he could be headed to texas. i mean, where are the texas authorities on this? >> reporter: well, a texas affiliate, at this time, we are still waiting for an update from sheriff's officials. they gave us their last press conference around 9:00 last night. we're still waiting to hear back, but, obviously, communication must be going on to make sure that this search is thorough, to hopefully find these children. because it's been more than 30 hours now. this started sunday evening. and if they left before that, they can be far beyond california, possibly not even in the u.s. at this time. but we are still waiting for
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those updates. >> okay. i want to put up those two pictures again, candice, if i can. and i'm just going to repeat what the issue is here. we've got hanna and ethan. their mother was murdered and another child, who is yet to be identified, was found alongside that murdered mother. these two children, age 16 and 8, siblings, a allegedly in the custody, at this point, of james lee dimaggio, who is now on the lam. and the search is for his blue nissan versa, california license plate 6wcu986. candice nguyen, thank you for the information and keep us posted on what else comes out with this amber alert in san diego. thank you so much. >> reporter: thanks, ashleigh. another big story that's been happening, gunfire erupting and this during a town hall meeting in a very quiet place. the bullets fly across the room until the gunman is tackled and put into custody.
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right now authorities holding a news conference and we're learning more about the pman who's believed to have done it and the man who stopped him from doing more. also in the news, former president george w. bush undergoing a medical procedure this morning. all of it to keep his heart healthy. his condition and what happened, coming up. this day calls you.
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one survivor says that he thought it was fireworks and then everyone ran for cover. i'm setting the scene for you about the new details regarding the terror that reigned in a town hall meeting in pennsylvania. three people are dead, several others are wounded. essentially that gunman raining hell at a council meeting last night, at a place that is so quiet, few people have ever heard about it. police say a suspect was a man with a grudge and he's just been arraigned on homicide charges. i want to go now to cnn's poppy harlow, who's live in sailorsburg. there were a lot of people at that meeting who saw everything that went on and they are not shy about describing the hell they saw. can you take me there? >> reporter: i definitely can. i talked to a number of them today. one of them, cleoria, she is a
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woman who was sobbing on the phone with me, ashleigh, telling me, i've never seen anything like it in my entire life. i'm scared for the rest of my life for those images. she told me she was saved by a man who took two bullets in his stomach to save her. she didn't know when we spoke whether he was all right, whether he had survived or not. it was an absolute scene of horror and chaos. this is a small town that hasn't seen anything like this ever, having a typical monday night town council meeting and in barges this gunman, shooting the from the outside, through the windows, with what's described as a long gun. then coming inside, further shooting. then pausing for a moment. and that is when people that were there ran to their phones, called 911, called their loved ones. she told me she called her husband and her daughter, and then the gunman came back and started shooting with a handgun. i also, today, talked to a man who told me, he didn't want to be identified, he didn't want any glory from this, because he's one of the two men that
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took down the shooter. and he told me that the shooter came in and that he said, they stole my land, they stole my land. and that's what he seemed to be so upset about. and then the two men were able to take down the shooter, punching him, taking him, bringing him to the floor, pulling the handgun from him, tying his arms above his head, ashleigh, with a jacket, while they restrained him until authorities got there. and an unbelievable night and series of events for these people. >> and so heroic, that those people were able to do that, to a gun-wielding man. by the way, i just wanted to mention, the suspected gunman's name is rockny newell and as poppy just mentioned, this was a property enforcement issue that he was screaming about, you know, on site, before the shots began to rang out. poppy harlow, live for us. thank you for that. >> sure. so, breaking news involving
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our former president, george w. wu bush, a very healthy man, usually seen running or riding a bike. but during a routine examination yesterday, doctors found something he probably did not want to hear. a blockage in an artery near his heart. and this morning, they took no chances, he went right in and had a stent placed to open up the blockage. his office says that president bush is in high spirits and that he is ready to return home tomorrow. so we all wish him well and we're lucky that that routine examination found something that could have ended up being more serious. the united states is ordering some americans to leave yemen today. and all of it amid fears that an imminent terrorist attack could be actually playing out there. a state department non -- well, an emergency evacuation is going on right now, but it's for non-emergency government personnel. the embassy itself there remains closed. as many as 90 americans are
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apparently being flown to germany amid all of these concerns. just ahead, if you buy somebody a drink, probably a nice person, aren't you? be can you be held liable for what that person does after they drink your drink? a case in texas centers on a man buying a woman a lot of alcohol. could it bring another conviction his way? our legal panel is going to take up some groundbreaking areas of drinking, driving, killing, and the judge.
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when nicole baucus downed her last of 24 alcoholic drinks, just before deciding to take to the wheel and drive home, she probably never imagined that she'd kill two people on that drunken journey. she probably didn't think she'd be sentenced to almost four decades in prison for it either. you might have imagined that the bartender who overserved would be charged, but he wasn't. instead, and this is really something that no one saw coming, the guy who ponied up for drinks that fateful night in june of last year, has also been charged in the crime. this is a case that's playing
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out in montgomery county, texas, just north of houston. 29-year-old cambiz will face the judge in what's being called a groundbreaking case. i want to bring in john manuelian is live with us, and faith jenkins is with us live as well. john, let me begin with you. i mean, wtf is the first thing that comes to mind, but it seems that it would stand to reason if the woman had that much to drink and he was handing them over, kind of sounds like it's fair game. could he fight this? >> i think so. we have something like this in california called the teen alcohol safety act. if you give an alcoholic beverage to anyone who's under 21 and they cause any kind of injuries, you could be liable. but there's a public policy exception that we understand. in this case, how are we going to police this? if i'm at a bar and buy somebody a drink, am i conduct an
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examination to make sure the person i'm giving alcohol to isn't already under the influence? it's bad public policy, it's going to be very hard to police, and i think there'll be some constitutional issue as well. >> so faith, jump in here, 24 drinks in just a matter of hours. clearly, that is egregious. if you are funneling that much booze into someone in a bar and paying for it, is that what's led to this? i mean, i have a feeling, lots of people have paid for rounds for others who have gone out and committed a dui, and yet we've never had anybody charged for it. >> well, first, this statute here requires sellers and servers not to provide alcohol to intoxicated persons. now, this defendant is on videotape giving this woman three drinks within ten minutes. on the video, the prosecutors are arguing she is clearly already intoxicated when this defendant is serving her, quote/unquote, rounds of additional alcoholic beverages. they're going to go to the
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videotape here. yes, it's a novel way to interpret the law, but if you look at the video and this woman is exhibiting severe signs of clear intoxication, which is what they're arguing, she's not standing up properly, she's not if you thinking, you can clearly see it in the video, and this defendant is serving her, repeatedly, alcoholic bnchs. >> it's disgusting just looking at the video of her stumbling around and him trying to dance with her, but i'm going to come to this guy's defense for a minute, pardon me, but it's not illegal to get somebody drunk. the only thing i can imagine that makes him particularly culpable was if he walked her to her car after serving her and then watched her as she teetered away and then drove away. so, where am i crazy in not being able to connect that dot? because if you can't connect that dot to me, as a juror, do i want to find myself in that situation as well one day? i'll put that to you, john? >> you're absolutely right. there's no proximate cause
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between you serving the alcohol and someone getting injured. if you were walking someone to the car, it's foreseeable that you are the direct and proximate cause of the injuries that could occur to someone else. but i'm entitled to get somebody drunk. i don't interview people before i give them alcoholic beverages, as a person that's in a bar or restaurant with a friend. it's not my duty. it's not my burden. and that's exactly what this law does. it places a duty and a burden on the citizens and i think that could be held to be unconstitutional. >> it's a remarkable story, and clearly i haven't seen one like this. i don't see every case across the country, but a lot of people are saying this is groundbreaking stuff. all right, i've got a lot more questions for you, coming up, particularly about these next cases. here's one where a guy attaches an explosive device to his dog and then blows up the dog. you'd think that he'd be in a lot of trouble. but that man has not been charged with anything. nothing. we're going to explain that one in a moment. and then another story so disturbing, coming out of
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collapse the ceiling and fall through the ceiling on to where those kids may have been asleep. the store owner, the owner of the store himself, said he was the one who made the horrible discovery, the boys on the floor, dead. i want to biring in our legal panel on this. first of all, it's such an astounding sequence of events. one part tragedy, one part recklessness, and another part strange confluence of circumstances. faith, is this store owner criminally liable in a situation like this? >> well, in order for you to get to criminal liability, that really is going to depend on the level of knowledge that he had about these snakes and their ability to escape. for example, is this something that happened before? i mean, did his level of negligence rise to such a certain degree that he could foresee that something like this could happen. based on what we know so far, it doesn't appear that that was the case. this man is actually a family
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friend with the parents of these young men and he said he considered them to be like his own children, with these boys. and so it's really unfortunate situation. you're really looking at civil liability here, when you have an inherently dangerous animal like this snake, you're looking at strict liability, which mean he doesn't have to be at fault. he could have had five locks on this cage. if the snakes escaped and they caused injury or in this case death, he's liable. >> okay, so john, apparently these two boys were his best friend's kids. this is what he has told one of the canadian broadcasters that interviewed him. so they were in his care and that snake is his snake. so what faith says stands to reason. he's liable no matter what. but doesn't that up the game when it comes to crime? >> well, sometimes things like this are statutory, which means that if there are specific laws which make this an animal an inherent dangerous animal, then as faith talked about, the
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strict liability would come into play, which would mean that if the snake escaped, no matter what, he would be responsible. but i don't know if there's any such statute in this part of canada. and if even if there was, you would have to show some sort of recklessness, or something that the person didn't do that an ordinary person would do. so it would be a case-by-case basis. and this is an unforeseeable circumstance. the odds of something like this are slim to none. so there's a -- you know, in my opinion, there would be a lot of defenses s as to what a defense attorney could say regarding his criminal liability. >> let's leave it at this. if you have a python, and if the python is a hundred pounds or not even, that's dangerous behavior right there and you better beware that you'll have to deal with whatever happens. i want to get you to another odd story. a 45-year-old man in washington state is suspected of killing his bomb after putting a bomb, some sort of explosive device around his neck, and then blowing the dog up.
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he's apparently been jailed. and help me on this one, guys, for mischief, reckless endangerment, and possession of explosive devices, but the sheriff says he's not going to charge him with animal abuse, because he says that the dog could not possibly have suffered. >> it's a completely misapplication and misinterpretation under the law. because the level of suffering is not the beginning and end of the question when it comes to animal abuse. it's did you commit an intentional act that caused physical injury or in this case, death to an animal? and that is exactly what happened here. it is a class "c" felony, it is animal abuse in the first degree. the act itself is the abuse, not the suffering. so this is a complete misapplication of the law here. >> and that's what i thought. john, i thought, i read that, a lot of people say, premeditated murder, if you just bring out the gun and fire, it can't possibly be premeditation, but you can have premeditation in
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the blink of a second under the law, why can't you have suffering in the blink of a second under the law? >> you should be able to, but as faith correctly pointed out, it's not necessariy. and in this case, the prosecution is the one that has discretion, it's not the police officer or the investigating officer who makes that call. they make a suggestion, but ultimately it lies with the filing city attorney or deputy attorney to decide whether they'll file animal cruelty charges. and you're right, it shouldn't come down to the suffering. and in this case, it's simple. very simple. he killed a dog, end of story, he should be charged and let a jury play it out. okay. more coming up, so hold those thoughts for a moment. and this one, i've been waiting for this all morning. a person who represents the best and the worst of baseball. one of the greatest hitters of all-time was accused of betting on his own team. you know who i'm talking about. pete rose. and now pete rose is talking about a-rod. yeah, alex rodriguez, and his
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the yankees' slugger known as a-rod now suspended for 211 baseball games through the 2014 season. in just a few hours after major league baseball took that t action, alex rodriguez was back in a yankees uniform in a game in chicago. but the welcome that he got, have a listen. [ booing ] >> alex rodriguez. >> that's a lot of booing. didn't seem to phase him, though. he got a hit. you will probably know by now, from all the coverage of this man, that he's one of 13 suspended players, all because of performance enhancing drugs.
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12 of the 13 players accepted 50-game suspensions, losing their pay, but a-rod is the only one who decided to appeal the decision. and that means he will likely play the rest of the season, despite how the people are reacting. former cincinnati reds baseball great pete rose knows firsthand the highs of being a beloved baseball star, and then the h humiliation of being banned for life for betting on baseball. all of this while he was the reds' manager. he joins me now live on the phone from las vegas. mr. rose, thank you so much for agreeing to speak out on this today. i want to get your initial reaction to what transpired yesterday -- >> first of all, i'm in cincinnati, ohio. >> oh, i'm sorry. >> that's okay. and secondly, i don't think anything [ inaudible ] yesterday. and if you watched it on tv, which you probably did, there was a lot of yankee fans
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standing up clapping. and he chose to appeal it. he don't think he deserves 207 games when ryan bron got 65 games. that's probably why he appealed it. and if he loses the appeal, it could be the end of his career, because he won't be able to come back to -- he's starting to be almost 41 years old. and it's hard for a 40-year-old, a 39-year-old to miss a year and a half or so, then come back and be the type of player that they expect you to be, making all that money. so that's probably why he appealed, because he's fighting for his life, which he said last night, i think he actually meant, he's fighting for his baseball life. which is true. he made mistakes -- >> so let me ask you this. >> yeah, go ahead. >> you mentioned to a reporter, i think with the associated press, look, a-rod screwed up, there's no question about it, but if there's a lesson to be learned, if you screw up and do something, don't lie about it, come clean.
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i eventually came clean, but it was too late. >> you're right. >> so this appeal, isn't that essentially not coming clean and continuing to live out this lay? >> well, i agree with you. i made that mistake back in 1989, for anybody listening to you and i talking right now, if you're confronted with a controversy or something you did wrong, don't lie. come forward as quickly as you possibly can and get it behind you. and you know, a lot of these guys who were suspended yesterday, now they come out and said, i made a mistake, but i don't know if any of them ever said, i used p.e.d.s. i don't know if i heard any of the players suspended say, i took drugs and it was wrong. they just said, i made mistakes. you know, i made mistakes too. everyone's got a different way of answering the question.
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you're absolutely right. don't lie. come forward as quickly as you possibly can. and to be honest with you, i would like to be looking for baseball, going around to these baseball camps and telling my story and it's got to wake people up, as far as if you get caught, it can be a lifelong situation. >> and exactly my next point. the former commissioner said, pete rose is all about deterrent and it's totally effective. vincent said, no one in baseball gambles and it's all because rose. we made it clear if you touch the third rail, you die and you don't come back. does somebody need to be the pete rose of performance enhancing drugs and is that somebody a-rod? >> just because you suspend me for life and keep the suspension on, that's to say no one will ever gamble. the you give a-rod life instead of 200 and some games, no one will ever take steroids. vincent's consistent with what he says, and he's one of those
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guys that lives in america but never gives anybody a second chance. that's another thing. everybody makes mistakes. everybody makes mistake. we're talking about a guy right now, if i'm not mistaken, is the only guy in the history of the world to be fired as commissioner of baseball. now, you know, you work for the owner, it's a glamorous job. you've got to be pretty bad to be fired from the owners of baseball as commissioner of baseball. so i don't think anything that vincent says is serious, because he's still living in the past and this is america. you make your mistakes, you take responsibility for it. most people, most people will give you a second chance. he's just one of those guys that won't. >> so, pete, you're one of these guys who, you kept it quiet for a long time, you didn't come forward about the cheating, and then you did, about the gambling. and then you did. and then you got smacked for life. and yet that's not happening to some of these cheaters who get
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all these remarkable, you know, glories and records and yet they don't suffer the same thing -- can you still with me until after the break? have you got a moment? >> well, here's something -- >> hold your thought. i have to get a break in, but i want to ask you about this after the break, if you can stay with me. >> okay, okay. >> awesome. thank you, pete. after that break, was he unfairly punished where has these new guys are not? it's in a moment. could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance.
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we're back live and i'm so happy to be joined on the telephone by pete rose, baseball's all-time great. he is live in cincinnati right now, also knows a thing or two about suffering through a very public ordeal in baseball after wrongdoings like a-rod is doing. so before the break, pete, i wanted to talk to you about this issue of the punishments that are being handed down to all these dope-taking cheaters in baseball now. compared to the punishment that was handed down to you. you said to the soap, it's like i'm al capone or something. but guys are starting to come back to my side now, because they see what's happening in baseball. guys are doing things that alter records. they get 65 games, i got 24 years. and that brings me back to that question i just asked you. you may not like faye vincent, but he did say, if you hand down a punishment like we did to pete rose, it becomes a third rail, no one gambles on baseball. so don't we need to do the same thing to someone like an a-rod so that drugs become the third
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rail? >> well, i understand what you're saying, but i just don't believe that. i just don't believe you can use one guy as an example. i mean, if you think that because a-rod's going to get a life suspension, you've got to go within the rules. okay? and most of your listeners, i don't even know if you understand, okay? i was not -- i was not suspended from baseball for betting on baseball, okay? i have a signed agreement from the commissioner's office that there's no finding that i bet on baseball, okay? i did not bet on baseball, as far as the eyes of the commissioner, when i signed that deal. >> oh, i'm so confused -- but you agreed when fans ask you to sign baseballs, that you'll even sign with the inscription, "i'm sorry i bet on baseball." >> well, that's what people want. i just do what people want. i admitted i bet on baseball later, okay, so everybody knows that i bet on baseball, but my
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point is, i didn't get suspended from baseball for betting on baseball. it was undesirables. and that's what the record shows. so, you know, you're not making an example out of me when i get a life suspension, and as faye vincent was saying, he got a life suspension for betting on baseball. i did not. i did not get a life suspension for betting on baseball. do you understand what i'm saying? >> i gotcha. i want to ask you this, i know this is a long time ago, when you were playing baseball, but did you ever use performance enhancing drugs? >> no, no. i don't know of anybody in our clubhouse being with the beg red machine or my five years in philadelphia that ever messed with p.e.d.s, at least to my knowledge. >> what about in the rest of the league, did you know about it going on while you were playing? >> no, because i never worried about what was going on in the rest of the league.
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but there, again, nobody has ever been, you know, accused of making steroids -- doing steroids back in the '60s, '70s, '80s. to my knowledge. and i retired as a player in '86. so that's the way i can answer that question. i can't speak for all 700 players that were playing in the national league when i played. >> pete rose, it's great to talk to you. >> nobody in the reds, nobody in the reds, to my knowledge, and nobody in the phillies, that i ever heard of, took steroids. >> well, i do appreciate you telling us that. and i appreciate that you say that it's all about coming clean and telling the truth. i'm glad that you're on with us today, especially at this pretty remarkable time. pete, thank you. >> you have a great day. so moving on to our other next story, if you weigh too much, can you be fired? you'd probably say that's workplace discrimination, right? not according to one judge, not necessarily. and our legal team is going to explain this one, why could it really happen and be completely legal?
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we're officially in a verdict watch right now. all of this because of the trial of mob boss james whitey bulger.
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the jury just started their deliberations. a short time ago this happened after a passionate closing argument yesterday. prosecution blasting him as a murderous thug terrorizing boston for years. we've been watching every detail of this dramatic and exclosive trial. >> reporter: james bulger came face-to-face with his criminal under world. bookies talked about the thousands of dollars he had to pay bulger in weekly rent payment just to stay in business and drug traffickers testified bulger put a loaded gun to his head before extorting quarter of a million dollars for a piece of his business. it was bulger's former partners who took the stage.
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key eyewitnesss. he described the crime boss firing a machine gun at a victim he lured to a phone booth. mob enforcer saw bulger strangle a woman with his bare hands. her eyes rolling into her head and his lips turned blue. his long time partner described be high he seemed to get after torturing and killing several victims. one of them begged for a bullet to the head after he failed to strangle him with a thick rope. what bothered him was when his partner testified without doubt he and bulger were fbi informants, the worst possibly thing someone from south boston could be.
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prosecutors, state troopers all on his payroll providing information. bulger lost his temper several times when called an informant when otherwise the men he known so well he treated as if they were dead to him. bulger's lawyer mounted a small defense with respect to the murders. they tried to cast doubt on his role of killing two women. holding the government accountable for fbi corruption nearly two decades ago. this is the verdict sheet the jury will consider. count one, the racketeering conspiracy charge. the rest deal with the murders. each count has a name next to it. they're putting the charge with a name and face. some of the family members of the victims have been in court.
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they are waiting eagerly for justice to bring this 20-decade rein of terror to a close. >> takes a while to read it especially in the wind. thank you for that great reporting. coming up, some ladies went to court when they got tired of daily weigh ins. a judge said tough luck. weigh in or get out. mom always got good nutrition to taste great. she was a picky eater. well now i'm her dietitian... ...and last year, she wasn't eating so well. so i recommended boost complete nutritional drink to help her get the nutrition she was missing.
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they decided to sue for weight discrimination. they said they were forced to do weigh-ins and could be disciplined if they gained more than 7% of their body weight. they did sign contracts that was okay. the weird part is the men don't have to do any weigh-ins. stay tuned for something that may come out of that like appeal or not. i'm out of time and i'm glad i didn't sign a contract like that. "around the world" is coming at you next. a giant snake about 100 pounds attacks two small boys at a sleepover. should the dangerous reptiles be allowed as pets. major flight delays around the world. it wasn't the weather or security this time. it was a computer glitch. the state department is telling americans in yemen to get out. we'll bring you the latest on the terror threats. welcome to